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February 03, 2006

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Jack Malebranche

What's the big deal, yo? That's totally funny.

john

This is just stupid. While I don't support the Palestinians in squelching free speech or killing gays I do support their right to basic human rights. According to you I should just accept their brutal and inhmane treatment because I don't agree with their politics. It's okay that they have their land stolen from them, their houses bulldozed, their people slaughtered because hey, they don't support free speech and they kill gays. Baloney! I support the right of the Palestinians to be free from Israeli occupation, just as I support the people of Tibet being free from occupation by China, just as I supported the people of Kuwait in being free from the occupation of Iraq and the right of Iraqis to be free from the occupation of the US. I also support the gay people under each of these countries to be free from harrassment and death by the dominant culture/government. I also support the right of Israel to exist in peace. Why on earth should we not support any of this? My support of basic human rights goes for everyone - it's not dependent on their behaivior. And if the people of Venezuela want a socialist government more power to them. I think they are stupid for it, but its their country and their lives. Same with Cuba. Why on earth should the US sit in judgement of the rest of the world? Shouldn't we allow them the freedom to decide for themselves what type of government they want?

Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest)

Robbie, is this International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission one of the groups that the U.S. voted not to credential at the U.N.?

Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest)

Robbie, is this International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission one of the groups that the U.S. voted not to credential at the U.N.?

Robbie

John, that's a pretty piece of rhetoric, but I'd love to know why Israel is constantly singled out by every lefty organization under the sun, including these gay groups, when they have shown they've had no problem partying it up in Beijing and Havana.

Israel withdrew from Gaza. The result? A new terrorist government that just today reiterated they want to wipe Israel off the map. A Palestinian culture that is still violent and still virulently homophobic. "But what about the wall!" If people in Indiana were crossing over the Illinois border to blow up the local Pizza Hut, I'd want a damn wall, too.

At issue here should've been World Pride 2006. Instead, a major gay organization signs onto a bunch of left-wing bullshit that has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with moonbat politics. And, again, they can't do the human rights song and dance when they didn't take issue with celebrations in China and Cuba.

Sorry, if a gay organization is actively going to pick sides in a fight, I want them to be on the gay friendly, democratic side. Not with the murderous purveyors of hatred who would see every homosexual and Jew beheaded if they had their way. I guess I'm all sorts of right-wing like that.

Dan - No idea.

Jay Croce

>>Artistic likenessess of the founding father of the religion are strictly verboten.

Killing innocent people is a good thing, but drawing a picture of Big Mo is a big no no. I'm beginning to get the deeper meaning of Islam. I really am. No kidding.

My mother asks this question:

What I want to know, is when they recruit women homocide bombers...........like the one last month who screwed up and failed to detonate her bomb............what the hell was she going to do with 30 Virgins? Start the Rockettes? Surely to Shirley, she wasn't a religious Lesbian? Well, maybe so!!

Islam is as Islam does. That's what I say.

Dan

Dan (the other one) -

You're thinking of the International Gay and Lesbian Association. Far more mainstream, much less moonbat. Tho I'm sure you'll find something objectionable about them in no time.

Erick

A shame that some politicias, including some of ur morons there, are giving apologies to the ISLAM WORLD. WHERE THE HECK IS THE ISLAMIC WORLD WHEN GROUPS LIKE HAMAS OR OSAMA HIMSELF DO KILL INNOCENT PPL? I DONT SEE THEM ON TV GIVCING APOLOGIES TO THE PPL, OR EVEN WORSE I NEVER SEE THEM TAKING RESPONSABILITY FOR WHAT THERI PPL DO.IF THEY HAVE THEIR CAT FIGHT WITH THE US AND EU, THEN BEAT AND KILL IF THEY WANT THE POLITICIANS BUT NO INNOCENT PPL.
MAHOMA? COME ON.....HE IS JUST ANOTHER FAG IN THE BLOCK!

Craig Ranapia

Of course, I'm still waiting for the "International Day of Anger" over the viciously anti-Semitic drool that appears in Islamist newspapers and websites acoss the globe. (And for the benefit of the moonbat readership, criticism of the state of Israel isn't, ipso facto, anti-semitic. Shit that looks like it was cut-and-pasted from Der Sturmer or David Duke's diary is.)

I'd really love to see "moderate" Muslims getting on Al-Jazeera and talking about the "responsibilities" of free speech when some iman gets face time for call for the massacre of homosexuals who are lower than pigs - a provocative and imflamatory insult given the beast's status in Islamic dietary law.

Jeff

I love America. I love that moonbats and wingnuts can bash one another silly without the use of a single I.E.D. I love that we can argue whether art is worthy of government subsidy or whether Dubya and Dick have crossed a line with their NSA antics and never fire a shot. I love that we can impeach a man for a blowjob and elect his wife to the senate. I love that we all agree at a base level of our DNA that flying planes into buildings full of civilians is beyond reprehensible.
I love every freedom we enjoy, and every edition of Meet the Press and Crossfire. I prefer not to offend most people. And, I choose to respect many, including those I disagree with. But, I am sick to my very soul at lunacy the world seems to tolerate in the name of Islam. During the World Wars we did not go to war against ideas or concepts. What IS up with this "War on Terror"? We fought the Germans and the Japs. And anyone allied with them. We didn't fight a war against just the Nazi party but not the Germans. We f*ckin' killed those Germans asses. And we bombed the snot outta those damn Nips until they surrendered. And, in both cases, we were lead by socially liberal democrats. We need to fight the Islamic nations that attack us or our allies. It is a War against Islam. They started it, and called it a holy war. Okay, game on. We should fire back and not stop shooting till the last towelhead is dead. Jihad that mutherf*cker! All this PC crap will never win peace. It won't even sustain peace in the short term. To have victory, we need to identify and vilify the enemy. Not coddle them, or fake empathy for the poor, poor Palistinians. What the f*ck??? The Muslim extremists and their "mainstream' collaborators are at war with the world. They attacked us. We better cut out the PC crap, and focus on a crushing defeat. That means calling a war a war. The minute those assholes blew up a bus in Israel, or boarded one of our jets on 9/11 they gave up any rights to be treated as civilized people. These are animals. They are monsters who murder children in the name of God. They are not entitled to any form of PC considerations because there is nothing, absolutely nothing 'Correct' about them. They behave in a way that leaves no choice but to have civilized nations rally together for a crushing defeat of their way of life. If we keep trying to pretend they are people deserving of respect and trust, we will lose everything and everyone we respect and trust. I would rather bend over backward to protect the civil liberties of Fred Phelps than to give one iota of credibility to Islam. And stop saying "Muslim Extremists" they are all extremists because their friggin families and friends support the violence. I say make fun of those assholes, draw all the pictures we want. Save the PC crap for the civilized people. Not these animals.
There is no circumstance, no previous oppression, no disinfranchisement, no loss of land or bad oil deal that would justify the acts that were carried out on 9/11 and Madrid and London, and in Israel for far too long. Real Political Correctness isn't really too difficult to figure out, come over here and sit with the humans. Not those vile animals putting bombs on kids.

DSH

I am still asking that "fundamentalist" question: What's the difference between Sharon, Robertson, and Osama?

They all see the same TEXT differently. Now Benedict XVI is "engaged." Does anyone have a clue?

Imagine: A foreign country comes to the U.S. and designates Alabama as a new country. All Christians MUST leave, so that Muslims can reside there. Think what the other 49 states must think?

On the other hand: Imagine: The only democracy in an entire region is open, but ONLY if you're a Jew. All others, please exit. Why can't I play? Because you aren't Jewish, that's why. Huh?

Then again: Imagine: The U.S. is a Christian nation. It says so in the Bible. We're gawd's anointed (harkening back to the paragraph above). So why did your gawd abandon you? Because we're a Christian/Jewish nation, and you're not. Huh?

Religion IS the opiate of the masses. It's one of the very FEW things Freud got right. But HE was a disenfranchised Jew. Well, we're gay, so what? Well, because. The prophets have spoken. Where are YOUR prophets? They're getting head. And yours?

Gus

This is a pretty telling admission of the real agenda of the Islamic world. Having lived in Denmark, I can assure you that Danes are generally unwilling to involve themselves in global battles, but do feel overwhelmed by the large number of unassimilated Muslims in their midst. These cartoons were probably viewed as harmless when first penned. Now it has become Salman Rudiesque. When will the great liberal masses of the West stand up to this nonsense? (Probably never! Did any of them stand up when the Nazis were dragging Jews and GAYS out ot their homes from 1937-1945?) No. They did not. They just counted the corpses and vowed "never again". What bullshit.

Gus

DSH, give up the meth, please.

Jay Croce

QUIT is the invention of Alex Limada, who seems to feel the need to get in the news, any way he can. Perhaps only in Berkeley, CA could people buy into his demented delusions. If he had his way, Jews in Israel would be slaughtered, and Palestinians would be given control of The State of Israel. From there, they would infect the world with terrorism, violence, and hatred. All non-Muslims would be their enemy. Since the Palestinians can't even agree among themselves, chaos would rule, and within a short time, some harsher, more evil and organized group would move in. Perhaps the Syrians, backed by the Iranians. Peace in the Middle East would be impossible, and the death toll would be unimaginable.

Alex Limada
quitpalestine.org
652 45th St
Oakland, CA 94609
510.645.7839
quitpalestine@yahoo.com

Here's one of Alex's better ideas. An invasion of a Berkeley Starbucks.

"About 25 queer settlers descended on a downtown Berkeley Starbucks on Saturday, August 17, 2003, claiming Berkeley as “a city without people for people without a city.” The group, organized by Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism (QUIT!), posted a banner proclaiming the reclaimed café “Queerkeley – A Prophecy Fulfilled.” They also erected homes (transformed “Palestinian civilian homes reclaimed from another street theatre action), lawn furniture, and signs reading, “It Works In Palestine, Why Not Here?” and “It’s Ours Because We Say So.” They erected plastic palm trees to “make the concrete bloom,” and gave patrons a tract explaining their religious claim to the land....."

He also thinks that the City of Berkeley should cease doing business with Israel. I can't imagine how much business could be conducted between Berkeley and Israel, but I guess it's largely symbolic. Unfortunately, it's also symbolic of who Alex Limada will deal with, to keep his name in the press.

"We are working with the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, Jews for Divestment, Global Exchange, Students for Justice in Palestine, and many other groups to get Israel added to the oppressive nations list."

You'll find plenty of communist and terrorist connections among those groups he mentions.

He's also against American involvement in Iraq. He describes the actions of our military there as "slaughter".

"Donate to the Stephen Funk Defense Fund. Stephen is a gay Filipino American who is being court-martialed for refusing to participate in the U.S. slaughter in Iraq."

Hmmm, a deserter in time of war... what might happen to this person? Not much.

"On September 6th, a military jury acquitted Stephen Funk of desertion and found him guilty of Unauthorized Absence for not reporting for duty at his San Jose, CA unit. The military sentenced Funk to six months in military prison, a bad conduct discharge, a reduction of rank and forfeiture of two-thirds pay."

Funk got the lightest possible sentence, too light if you ask me, and yet Alex Limada is still using this case as a bloody soapbox. Anything for publicity and fundraising.

Limada touts his involvement with Global Exchange. Here's what Global Exchange has to say about America.

"Finally, assaults against workers' rights to organize remain common. From farmhands in California to home care workers in Florida, workers who try to form trade unions are spied on, harassed, threatened, suspended, fired or deported. This sort of repression is intolerable since it violates the basic constitutional guarantee to freedom of assembly. Respect for basic liberties must not stop at the workplace door."

Doesn't sound much like the America I live in.

Here's Global Exchange on Iraq.

"The Iraqi military clearly did not even have the ability to defend its own capital, much less the strength to attack the U.S. or its neighbors."

Tell that to the Kurds or to Kuwait. I think you'll hear a different story.

QUIT, and Limada may be lame and toothless, but they back some dangerous characters, and spread a layer of half-truths and deception, that can leave people supporting terrorism, without even realizing it.

Sorry for the overly long post, but this is no laughing matter.

Myackie

I see quite a difference between the situations in Tibet, what happened in Kuwait and the current problems in Israel.

Tibet and Kuwait were invaded by aggressors. Israel, even though everyone conveniently forgets this, gained the territories in a DEFENSIVE WAR!!! They were invaded by Arabs...the Arabs lost. Israel offered almost immediately to return the newly "occupied" land to the LOSERS of the war (much to the astonishment of the planet) and was REJECTED!!! The arabs, even though they had their whiny asses kicked, refused to "recognize" that Jews had beaten them again.

John...if it were the other way around, if the arabs had won the war, most likely they would have killed every Jew they could get their slimy hands on. Israel is to be praised for the fact that the "palestinian" population has practically octupled since the six-day war. There were no hospitals or universities in gaza or the west bank prior to Israel. The infant mortality rate plummeted and life expectancy incrased under the "brutal occupation".

If I had to be "occupied"...I'd much rather be occupied by Israel than by any other country...moslem or christian.

The time has come for arabs to accept the fact that Israel will not just go away. The Israelis are there to stay. Accept reality, deal with the fact that you've lost EVERY war, and GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES. Instead of living in the past and collectively living in some fantasy world where you think you can beat Israel.

If the arabs can't behave in a civilized manner...than they don't deserve a country.

hank

These same "sensitive" folks never hesitate to lampoon and stereotype Americans or Jews. Allah forbid that anyone gives it back to them.

While here at home, we have Daddy Dobson trying to supress an episode of Will and Grace, because he says it "mocks the crucifixion." Meet the American Taliban.

North Dallas Thirty

While here at home, we have Daddy Dobson trying to supress an episode of Will and Grace, because he says it "mocks the crucifixion." Meet the American Taliban.

Um, no, hank. If we had the American Taliban, we wouldn't even have TVs, much less be arguing over programming on them. You and I would be at the bottom of arena floors buried in stones, and Britney Spears would not have tortured the American public with her numerous attempts to substitute boobies for musical talent.

I frankly agree with Dobson that the whole point of what they are doing is deliberately mocking Christians. They're trying to boost the ratings for a show that has gone south, and they lack the creativity to do an intelligent lampoon, instead going for shock value.

And also remember....the Taliban couldn't have been that bad, since if Democratic Party member, Senate candidate, and DNC endorsee Cindy Sheehan had her way, they'd still be in power.


Religion IS the opiate of the masses. It's one of the very FEW things Freud got right.

Actually, that is Karl Marx's quote, and it doesn't surprise me that you think it's "right".

Richard

As always I am stunned by the arrogant indifference of most to anti-Semitism. The Arab media can't make it through a week without posting editorial cartoons that viciously attack Jews and Judaism. Islam should be ashamed of itself on more levels than one could possibly dsecribe.

Dan

Religion is the opiate of the masses? Oy. Suddenly I'm back in high school taking that ridiculous philosophy class for 'gifted' kids. Buncha pseudo-intellectual, self-aggrandizing crap.

It is interesting, however, to see NDT turn into the resident fundy apologist. Is Dobson a threat to life and limb? No. But he does regularly issue fatwas against anything he considers ungodly and aggressively pushes his own christian ideology into areas where it has absolutely no business. How is his boycotting of NBC any different than the muslim boycott of all things Danish? But we're not just talking about free speech here, no sir. These fundamentalist zealots also want to destroy our country's rich history of scientific innovation as well. Stem cells? Don't go there. Research on the origins of the universe? If it goes back further than few thousand years, nuh uh. And now, it seems, they want the right to deny basic medical care to anybody who doesn't fit within their own christian worldview. Thank god the jews aren't trying the same bullshit or else we'd really be screwed.

Is NBC mocking christians? No. They're mocking those fundamentalist whackjobs who are slowly trying to turn this country into a theocracy. They may not be throwing molotov cocktails (yet), but in the end they can be just as dangerous.

Besides, I kinda thought cruci-fixins was kinda funny :)

North Dallas Thirty

Well, it seems we can now add Dan to the list of "control mechanisms" that I previously posted about on a similar topic.

And I will respond in a more direct fashion, Dan; if you think for one second that I can be cowed into not saying what I think by smearing me as a "fundy apologist", you are very, very wrong -- for several reasons.

First, your doing so demonstrates how little you know about my positions.

Second off, it demonstrates how devoted you are to your stereotypes of Christians and how little you know of the reality. Honestly, now. Do you think any Christian broadcasting network would air a section called, "Cruci-Fixin's"? That would be cheapening and mocking one of the deepest tenets of the religion. It would never happen. But if you're a hack screenwriter looking to pander to antireligious bigots, well.....when did truth ever come into appealing to the irrational?

Third off, your rant further deepens and makes more obvious the degree to which you are in thrall to your bigotry and stereotypes. For example:

These fundamentalist zealots also want to destroy our country's rich history of scientific innovation as well. Stem cells? Don't go there.

What you're basically saying is that scientific progress is more important than ethics. Fine. Start shrieking about how not being allowed to give babies teratogens in utero is impeding the scientific progress of studying birth defects, or how not being allowed to put children in complete isolation is impeding the scientific progress of studying psychological developments, or how not being allowed to fail to tell people they have cancer so you can study how it continues to grow is impeding the scientific progress of studying cancer. Heck, go argue against the scientific community's censure of Dr. Hwang Woo-Suk. Then go watch the movie The Island, which is all about unimpeded scientific progress, being allowed to grow whatever you want, whenever you want, and use it however you want.

So in short, Dan, I have no problem with saying that I agree with Dobson. You, obviously, must oppose everything Dobson says. Fine. In that case, Dobson opposes drinking drain cleaner. Better go chug some, just so you can show you're not a "fundy apologist".

Seann

While some muslims do take it a little too far in demanding revenge for these cartoons I think they were entitled to an apology. They got one and they should move on. There was an orginization that accepted the apology but for extremist I guess it wasn't good enough.

I know people call it PC and all other forms of crap but maybe we should avoid trying to anger people and respect their religious beliefs. It's not required but what's wrong with being considerate and courteous to another's faith. I know people are aware of the golden rule.

Religion is a very touchy subject. They invited protesters and the like. Maybe not the crazy one's but they had to be aware that by publishing the article that there was going to be an uproar and maybe that was their purpose.

I just wanted to add my two cents.

Keep up the Great work!

Dixon

"antireligious bigots"

Oh my, the irony. That one made me laugh.

anapestic

"Start shrieking about how not being allowed to give babies teratogens in utero is impeding the scientific progress of studying birth defects, or how not being allowed to put children in complete isolation is impeding the scientific progress of studying psychological developments, or how not being allowed to fail to tell people they have cancer so you can study how it continues to grow is impeding the scientific progress of studying cancer. Heck, go argue against the scientific community's censure of Dr. Hwang Woo-Suk. Then go watch the movie The Island, which is all about unimpeded scientific progress, being allowed to grow whatever you want, whenever you want, and use it however you want."

Your arguments would be a lot more compelling if you argued against what was actually said and not against something that no one is suggesting. Anyone can set up and tear down a straw man.

Jay Croce

In Syria today, Danish and Norwegian embassies were attacked and burned by crowds of angry Muslim radicals.

Over a cartoon.


It just speaks volumes.

John (not the same John that posted earlier)

To Gus and his comments about the Danes, specifically this: Did any of them stand up when the Nazis were dragging Jews and GAYS out ot their homes from 1937-1945?) No. They did not. They just counted the corpses and vowed "never again".

The Danes did stand up. They rescued nearly 8,000 Danish Jews from deportation to Nazi death camps in 1943. It is a truly inspiring story and I'm surprised that you, as a former resident of Denmark, were not aware of it.

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