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February 07, 2006

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brian

This interests me. Coretta Scott King spoke out against the war in Iraq, continuing a legacy of non-violence started when she and Martin marched side by side. She often spoke out against war. Why then, can not a man who likely knew her well, speak of her legacy? Just because it makes the current president uncomfortable?

And with President Carter: "the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps"

Could this not be viewed as a criticism not just of Bush but of cyncical, over-zealous executives? It was Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats, who were "spying" on the Kings. Maybe that's the point Carter was going for.

As for the Wellstone memorial, why do Republicans think they know what Paul Wellstone would have wanted more than his family, the men and women who he worked with everyday or the people who helped him get to where he was? I think that memorial was exactly what someone like Paul would have wanted and I remember laughing uncontrollably when listening to people like Trent Lott and Dennis Hastert talk like they had any authority to speak for Senator Wellstone.

I have heard conservatives, on several occasions try to highjack memories. The best was a GOP talking point going around in the late 90s that JFK, if he were alive today, would be a Republican. Despite the fact that every member of his family that has followed him into elected office, and there's a lot of them, has done so with the Democratic Party.

The same has be done by homophobic leaders in the black community, outraged when the gay and lesbian community used images and the words of MLK to support marriage equality. These "leaders" said they knew what a "Christian" man like MLK stood for and this wouldn't be his fight, even when MLK's wife, the mother of his children loudly spoke out in favor of gay rights and marriage equality. (PS: I did however learn that his daughter has spoken out repeatedly against marriage equality and I am sure with her mother gone, MLK's image may finally be used for hate and division.)

Malcontent

People of the leftish variety love to yelp and holler about how people like me are trying to suppress "free speech." I am trying to do no such thing. But I think there is a little matter of decorum involved in insulting a sitting president who attended the funeral while he is right there. If someone is unable to see how that further cheapens and demeans the national polity, then they are a huge part of the problem.

As for Wellstone, my point was not in dictating to Democrats where it is or is not appropriate to have a pep rally, only that the way they chose to mourn Wellstone was a spectacular and dunder-headed miscalcuation on their part that ultimately handed that Senate seat to Norm Coleman. To which I say: more, please. Cheapen away!

Queer Conservative

Carter has got a lot of nerve considering he engaged in the same type to activity during his presidency.

Robbie

What is this tact and decorum thing you speak of?

It reminds me of a funeral I attended not long ago. I was sitting there, neat in suit and tie, staring solemnly forward during the prayers before the closing of the casket.

And then there was a family in front of me, in golf shirts and khakis, their kids in shorts, tank tops, and shiny plastic pink sandals, calmly tapping away on their game boys.

I glanced around the parlor and noted everyone else in their suits, women in once a year dresses, toddler boys in little adult outfits and toddler girls in would be communion dresses. Then my eyes shifted back to the family in front of me, their apparent day at the beach temporarily postponed by an inconvenient death.

And then rage, rage, rage. How I did not leap over a row of chairs to pop the parents right in their mouths is beyond me. I remember having nail marks white against the palm of my hands from clenching my fists for so long.

I. Hate. People.

Dan

Tacky? Maybe. But everything they said was true.

Robbie

You don't talk smack during eulogies.

Ever.

Even if it's true.

It doesn't even require explanation.

brian

Norm Coleman won the election because, contrary to the Ashcroft example, people almost always prefer living breathing candidates to last minute stand-ins. Pity votes rarely pan out. Especially since the DFL chose Fritz, a man who was about 20 years past his prime.

Fox News wants us to think it was the booing of Trent Lott that cost the Democrats that seat, but what cost us that seat was losing a beloved man like Wellstone.

brian

Not to beat a dead thread, but this line of criticism, which is getting stronger as the day gets longer is absurd.

I'm reminded that after MLK was assasinated BUT before he war burried, Coretta Scott King took to politics and led a march of 50,000. Three weeks after burying her husband and soulmate, she travelled north to New York and led a demonstration against the Vietnam War. This was a woman of action. The remarks came from personal friends of hers, with ties to the civil rights movement.

Do white, well-to-do Republicans really think they have any credibility in attacking the service? They're just upset because this is one of the few times in the past 3 years that a critic of this war was able to get on the same stage as President Bush.

Malcontent

"Lefty Brian": Then how did the utterly unqualified Jean Carnahan win not two years before Coleman did? Fritz Mondale was no less "living and breathing" than she was.

Robbie

Do white, well-to-do Republicans really think they have any credibility in attacking the service? They're just upset because this is one of the few times in the past 3 years that a critic of this war was able to get on the same stage as President Bush

See, this is the difference between me and the Left. Me? I can set my politics aside to be a simple human being when the occasion calls for it. When every aspect of life, even the most basic human events, become soap boxes for your moonbat politics, it's time for the therapist, because they're sketching you in next to the definition of unhinged fanatic.

Craig Ranapia

Brian:

Hey, perhaps you live in an especially tragic world than resembles a crossover episode of 'Six Feet Under' & 'Commander-in-Chief', I don't.

Nice of you to bring up Paul Wellstone, though. A genuinely classy man whose passionate politics didn't preclude him attending Barry Goldwater's funeral, then speaking warmly about the way the party politics got left in Washington.

North Dallas Thirty

I'd put it this way.....had I been in Bush's situation, I would have been severely tempted to cue up a video of Saddam's prisons for children, Saddam's torture rooms, and several scenes from executions, then ask the question...."Is this what you think Coretta Scott King supported?"

That's the problem. Democrats think a black church is a place to hold a political rally; Republicans see it as a church.

Joe.My.God.

Hey NDT, are you referring to those very same torture rooms that WE are now using? Those rooms?

Queer Conservative

I think it was just awful, reprehensible even, that John and Bobby Kennedy ordered the wiretapping of Martin and Coretta.

Joe.My.God.

I agree. I am no fan of the Kennedys.

Queer Conservative

A pity Dhimmi Carter forgot to mention that huh?

North Dallas Thirty

Hey NDT, are you referring to those very same torture rooms that WE are now using? Those rooms?

Question, Joe: Since you didn't care when Saddam was doing it on a far larger scale AND getting away with it, unlike the soldiers who overstepped their bounds and were tried/sentenced/now in the pokey......why do you care now?

Joe.My.God.

Because of the hypocrisy, of course. Pot, kettle, glass houses, etc.

Joe.My.God.

Jimmy Carter: Nobel Peace Prize winner

Martin Luther King: Nobel Peace Prize winner

'nuff said.

Robbie

Yassir Arafat: Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Yeah, that really is enough said.

Joe.My.God.

Robbie, for its time that was the right choice.

Joe.My.God.

And before somebody brings it up, I think Kissinger was the right call at that time as well.

brian

Mal @ 7:47: Jean Carnahan won because Missouri was that fed up with Ashcroft. And in reality, Carnahan--Mel, not Jean--was never "replaced" on the ballot. He won because Missourians were rejecting Ashcroft and the campaign he ran up until the crash. Jean was appointed by the Governor.

brian

North Dallas Thirty: Why do Republicans think that because we oppose the way that Bush executed this war that we supported Saddam? It's not a zero-sum game.

Saddam was a tyrant... who was made more and more powerful because of the presidential support of a certain hero of the GOP. The worst things that he was doing--attacking and torturing the Kurds, genocide-like gassing of people--all happened when we were his ally and Rumsfeld was selling him weapons.

I am glad to see him gone. I would have preferred that the matter be handled with the support of the International community so that our soldiers didn't have to bear 96% of the sacrifice.

And, you know what, Coretta Scott King would probably disagree with me. Like others before her... MLK, Ghandi... and others in her time... Pope John Paul II... she was committed to non-violence. Your hypothetical "If I was Bush" show would only be 1,000 times more offensive at her funeral because it wouldn't honor her legacy.

brian

Queer Conservative: Your point about the Kennedys is late. I made it in the first comment on this thread.

"And with President Carter: 'the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps'

Could this not be viewed as a criticism not just of Bush but of cyncical, over-zealous executives? It was Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats, who were "spying" on the Kings. Maybe that's the point Carter was going for."

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