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March 03, 2006

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Myackie

To me this is proof that the UN should be disbanded and a new and improved UN be installed. This UN, though started with noble ideals, is worthless. The entire point of it, born out of the ashes of WW II, was to PREVENT things like this from happening.

It's in the UN charter that they MUST act if a genocide occurs. Thus, they refuse to refer to the atrocities in Sudan as a "genocide" because they would be forced to take action. And, as a result, possibly offend a muslim.

North Dallas Thirty

It's only a genocide if the UN's not being paid to ignore it.

Queer Conservative

I'm not ready to heap all abuse on the UN for the genocide in Rwanda. I think the United States, or any nation who stood by and did nothing is equally guilty. The same goes for Dafur.

James

I tend to agree with QC on this. The world did nothing for Rwanda and stands mute as Dafur burns.

peace


North Dallas Thirty

The problem is, QC, that when the United States DOES act, the UN gets all huffy because we refuse to let them exercise veto power over all our actions and starts screaming about how it isn't "legitimate" or "legal" with the intent of shaming us into stopping.

Yet when it comes to cases like Rwanda, they are suddenly all about sharing the blame because the United States "didn't act".

Queer Conservative

But NDT, we don't have any problem acting when we want too, whether the UN gets "huffy" or not.

James

Come on NDT. Even you have to admit that both the UN and US have been simply pathetic in terms of Rwanda and Dafur.

peace

o

It's funny how the Frenchies got away with it. I remember being shocked to hear about their pivotal involvement in the situation, to the point I can recall exactly what I was doing at the time. (It was about 6am and I was lying in the bath listening to the radio.) But it made the news one day and then noone seemed to bother mentioning it again.

Myackie

o: can you please elaborate?

North Dallas Thirty

Come on NDT. Even you have to admit that both the UN and US have been simply pathetic in terms of Rwanda and Dafur.

Yes.

BUT.....the US at least has the advantage of being able to say, "But the UN won't LET us."


But NDT, we don't have any problem acting when we want too, whether the UN gets "huffy" or not.

I would agree, QC; in my personal opinion, using the UN as a reason for not acting is rather thin and threadbare. But it's similar to your doing things the wrong way, like an ex-boss of mine once ordered me to do, because you know the end result will make him look like the idiot he is for ordering it.

Queer Conservative

I'm going to make the assumption that what your boss ordered you to do didn't involve the loss of human life.

North Dallas Thirty

You never know, QC. :)

You bring up an excellent point; delaying action means that more lives will be lost.

It is frustrating that we can't act faster to do something, but "world opinion" is, according to the Democrats and liberals, that the United States is a bully, a country filled with war criminals, whose interference in the affairs of other countries only brings torture, evil, and bloodshed. Given that, according to these people, our intervention only causes more problems and is "unnecessary and unjustified".


Of course, more lives will be lost in the immediate situation by pandering to the desires of these people than would be by direct action. But the danger is that, unless the evil of inaction is directly confronted and with evidence, more bloodshed will be caused in the future.

It is a brutal and unpleasant calculus. But it must be made and done.

Queer Conservative

We're definitely seen as bullies, but screw that. I agree with Victor Davis Hanson: "...Americans should develop a greater confidence to accept that we are not liked abroad in large part for good reasons..." I can live with the derision as long as we keep doing the right things.

Oscar

With the record of gay hate in Africa it is very dificult for me to feel ANYTHING for acts like this. It is like "what goes around comes around". Think of it, if one plants tomatoes don't expect green peppers. If one plants hate don't expect love. For as long as they keep on promoting these kind of feelings and negativity among people they will be the recipients of it. Spit towards the sky and you'll get it on your face. Welcome to Kenya, South Africa, Uganda, Zimbawe, Sudan, etc, etc, etc...

Queer Conservative

I can't write them off that easily.

Patrick

With the record of gay hate in Africa it is very dificult for me to feel ANYTHING for acts like this. It is like "what goes around comes around".

Have you been hanging out with Downtown Lad and Ridor?

Queer Conservative

Noooo Patrick, Oscar has more heart the DL or Ridor - he at least spits at them...

James

Oscar,

So you are saying that becuase there is homophobia in Africa, you can't get too upset with genocide? Mmmmm. That's interesting, but sorry I try not to be on the same side of mass killings.

peace

Seann

I can't write off the deaths and mutilation of innocent women and children because they're country or even country is homophobic. Genocide is genocide no matter whose involved. The situation was very unfotrtunate. I can't imagine what it must've been like to be there.

Oscar

I do not condone genocide. I wish the world was Paradise before the sin. It is not. Dear Queer Conservative, they will write you off that easily. To them we are scum just because we are gay and they can do away with us by direct order from their God ( you know who). And it is true, What goes around comes around. Lets have it clear, I don't hate them. They hate who I am and who you are, too. Even in the refugee camps, gays are descriminated and scorned by the people that are there. They want our consideration but to us they give back nothing but hate. What I am is realistic and not at all masochistic. I'm a top.

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